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    1. odysseanproject‏ @odysseanproject Jul 5

      1/ Accidentally did a great experiment to show how urge to fit new data to existing political beliefs overpowers actual words ppl read

      19 replies 17 retweets 39 likes
    2. odysseanproject‏ @odysseanproject Jul 5
      Replying to @odysseanproject

      2/ Also accidentally did a great experiment showing amazing propensity of IN-ers who whine re 'lies' to comfort themselves w hallucinations

      2 replies 0 retweets 8 likes
    3. odysseanproject‏ @odysseanproject Jul 5
      Replying to @odysseanproject

      3/ Why have >90% misinterpreted? >90% looking at politics fit new data into a network of existing beliefs & thereby fool themselves

      4 replies 1 retweet 10 likes
      odysseanproject‏ @odysseanproject Jul 5

      4/ & political/media/twitter political discussion has no language/concepts for coping with probabilistic judgements made amid uncertainty

      8:37 AM - 5 Jul 2017
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        2. odysseanproject‏ @odysseanproject Jul 5
          Replying to @odysseanproject

          5/ ppl looking at politics are so gang-driven they're blinded if s/one says they aren't 100% confident in their predictions

          5 replies 11 retweets 28 likes
        3. odysseanproject‏ @odysseanproject Jul 5
          Replying to @odysseanproject

          6/ Partic funny to see well-educated IN-ers ranting about a failure to have 100% confidence, with no awareness such a view is childlike

          9 replies 10 retweets 39 likes
        4. odysseanproject‏ @odysseanproject Jul 5
          Replying to @odysseanproject

          7/ Am I less happy re REF result today than 24/6/16? No, just as happy. But I do have one big regret...

          15 replies 2 retweets 5 likes
        5. Sesh Nadathur  🇪🇺‏ @SeshNadathur Jul 5
          Replying to @odysseanproject

          Is your regret that you did not honestly communicate your <100% certainty to people who might have voted differently if they'd known risks?

          2 replies 0 retweets 8 likes
        6. Anand Menon‏ @anandMenon1 Jul 5
          Replying to @SeshNadathur @odysseanproject

          To be fair, HMT predicted immediate recession with absolute certainty.

          3 replies 1 retweet 8 likes
        7. Jo Maugham QC‏Verified account @JolyonMaugham Jul 5
          Replying to @anandMenon1 @SeshNadathur @odysseanproject

          Albeit on a different set of predicates. Which they should have acknowledged was only one possible set.

          2 replies 0 retweets 5 likes
        8. Anand Menon‏ @anandMenon1 Jul 5
          Replying to @JolyonMaugham @SeshNadathur @odysseanproject

          My point is simply that both sides acted certain about things herewas no certainty about.

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        9. Jo Maugham QC‏Verified account @JolyonMaugham Jul 5
          Replying to @anandMenon1 @SeshNadathur @odysseanproject

          The interesting question is, 'how do you conduct democracy in a world where folks are happy to be dishonest and have no risk of sanction.'

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        2. Jeremy Hazlehurst‏ @JHazlehurst Jul 5
          Replying to @odysseanproject

          What psuedo intellectual bullshit. Try saying 'maybe'.

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      1. Alastair Reid‏ @bigredal Jul 5
        Replying to @odysseanproject

        Pretty sure you said REF was a terrible idea AND result being bad 4UK might be one probable/possible outcome.Pretty sure combo is newsworthy

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      2. Rab‏ @millitantmiddle Jul 5
        Replying to @odysseanproject

        Hence you 'won' the referendum ... you know about this populist psychology & use it, why feign suprise now?

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      3. Aaron Bell‏ @AaronBell80 Jul 5
        Replying to @odysseanproject

        One thing I hope to take from my current job to the HoC is thinking probabilistically. Not sure it translates that well to the despatch box.

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      4. Dr Mireille Pouget‏ @mireille_pouget Jul 5
        Replying to @odysseanproject

        So only you can manipulate concepts the right way Can cope with problematic judgements etc. Megalomaniac? Arrogant? Doesn't quite come close

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      5. Thomas Wilson‏ @TomWilsonBristl Jul 5
        Replying to @odysseanproject

        Actually they sort of do. Political Bayesian Updating means allowing for a second referendum. Do you agree?

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      6. Chris Davies‏ @crd37 Jul 5
        Replying to @odysseanproject

        TBF few leaders of any kind like uncertainty. That LBJ/economists/ranges story is prob (95%) apocryphal, but bang on the money in message.

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      7. Harpsichord Knight‏ @Intraplatequake Jul 5
        Replying to @odysseanproject

        As a remainer I've found the media response to your comments depressing. Is there any way to bring probabilistic language to the mainstream?

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